one of the things that's so disappointing is this fiscal cliff didn't come out of nowhere. we've known it was coming. it was rolling our direction. but one of the things frustrating americans is it seemed like the cliff was being ignored or just put on hold while the campaign was going on and it was the day after the election. we saw the dow drop 300 points and suddenly everyone woke up and said we've got to face this cliff. the question is can they really address these issues in the next 24 days with the president heading for vacation, congress about to go home. doesn't feel good. >> no. and in terms of we're waiting to find out if we're going to go over the cliff, but we're already seeing the effects of it, aren't we? we have a lot of americans without jobs, and just the fear of going over the cliff is even affecting that, right? because it's affecting hiring. >> without a doubt. you wonder, is it affecting big business or small business. corporate ceos are simply sitting on their hands. you're seeing u.s. corporations with more money on their balance sheet than they've h